In Pokemon Red and Blue, you're evil

[Arronchard]

I'm not here to talk about the whole "Pokemon is like dog-fighting" thing, though that metaphor has tainted the Pokemon series for a long time. For now, put that thought out of your mind and focus on the simple plot of the original Pokemon Red and Blue. You're just a kid getting his first Pokemon, setting out to become the champion. Simple and harmless, right?

Actually, you're pretty evil in Pokemon Red/Blue. First off, you totally murder your rival Gary's Raticate. Think about it: after a particularly grueling battle aboard the SS Anne, you encounter Gary in Lavender Town--the distinct home of dead Pokemon. When he asks if you know what it's like to lose a Pokemon, you battle again, but his Raticate is gone. Tragic. Later, you encounter Gary as he becomes the Pokemon Champion--a title you quickly steal from him. Then, during the game's ending scene, Professor Oak scolds Gary and congratulates you. Did I mention that Gary is an orphan raised by his grandfather, who just happens to be Professor Oak himself? Killing Gary's Raticate, robbing his championship title, stealing the praise of the only adult that loved him. Feel bad yet?

 

[3905]

In the end, he deserved it
I'm jk obviously, but yea that does make sense. However I could care less about how much I hurt my rival if I get named champion of my region, I'd actually just forget about that entire thing in a snap. Besides, every time I revisit the league he'll be there to rebattle me for the throne, so he technically remains a champ that just sits in the room for challengers to come (which for the most part is only you). But then again, only your rival would think your evil. As far as anyone else, they would see that you are a successful trainer who signlehandedly took down Team Rocket and became the league champion. Plus you even discovered all the Pokemon in the universe (at each time period).

 

[Zukrad]

I'm not here to talk about the whole "Pokemon is like dog-fighting" thing, though that metaphor has tainted the Pokemon series for a long time. For now, put that thought out of your mind and focus on the simple plot of the original Pokemon Red and Blue. You're just a kid getting his first Pokemon, setting out to become the champion. Simple and harmless, right?

Actually, you're pretty evil in Pokemon Red/Blue. First off, you totally murder your rival Gary's Raticate. Think about it: after a particularly grueling battle aboard the SS Anne, you encounter Gary in Lavender Town--the distinct home of dead Pokemon. When he asks if you know what it's like to lose a Pokemon, you battle again, but his Raticate is gone. Tragic. Later, you encounter Gary as he becomes the Pokemon Champion--a title you quickly steal from him. Then, during the game's ending scene, Professor Oak scolds Gary and congratulates you. Did I mention that Gary is an orphan raised by his grandfather, who just happens to be Professor Oak himself? Killing Gary's Raticate, robbing his championship title, stealing the praise of the only adult that loved him. Feel bad yet?

First, the "Red kills Green's Ratatta" is an awful theory, Pokémon don't die for Pokémon battles, even if they faint, they can stay weeks without any medical atention, and still be alive. They only times we have ever heard about Pokémon dying is:
1.- Naturally (mostly in Pokedex entries, and some NPC dialogues)
2.- Marowak in RBY (It dies not for a Pokémon battle, but because Human intervention)
3.- A.Z. Floette's (Again, thanks to human intevention)
4.- A.Z. Super Giant Weapon (Do I need to say something)

Green actually states that he catched a lot of Pokémon, and thanks to its Pokédex , he wanted to create the perfect team, does he not use the other Pokémon because they are dead? no, he can only use 6 Pokémon, and he choosed the best he had. Also, Green wasn't in Lavender Town for his Ratatta, he is there because (He even says it) he was looking for a Marowak for his team.

And also, is never confirmed that Gary is an Orphan, the fact that we don't see his parents =/= they are dead

 

[Artisan]

Well maybe Gary was evil. According to Oak he "forgotten to treat his Pokemon with trust and love (a natural Pokemon Cipher)" so he either put Raticate in his PC or let him die in battle. But Raticate is probably alive because Gary said he made no mistakes raising his Pokemon. If anything Team Rocket is more evil than you. They experiment with Pokemon and catch rare Pokemon (although in the games they don't appear to be doing that).

 

[Pandaxclone2]

I'm not here to talk about the whole "Pokemon is like dog-fighting" thing, though that metaphor has tainted the Pokemon series for a long time. For now, put that thought out of your mind and focus on the simple plot of the original Pokemon Red and Blue. You're just a kid getting his first Pokemon, setting out to become the champion. Simple and harmless, right?

Actually, you're pretty evil in Pokemon Red/Blue. First off, you totally murder your rival Gary's Raticate. Think about it: after a particularly grueling battle aboard the SS Anne, you encounter Gary in Lavender Town--the distinct home of dead Pokemon. When he asks if you know what it's like to lose a Pokemon, you battle again, but his Raticate is gone. Tragic. Later, you encounter Gary as he becomes the Pokemon Champion--a title you quickly steal from him. Then, during the game's ending scene, Professor Oak scolds Gary and congratulates you. Did I mention that Gary is an orphan raised by his grandfather, who just happens to be Professor Oak himself? Killing Gary's Raticate, robbing his championship title, stealing the praise of the only adult that loved him. Feel bad yet?

Or you know, he's put it in a PC. If I had changed a Pokemon in-between any of the fights with Blue, does that mean it died? The only thing that implies it as a death is that Blue was in the Pokemon Tower and asks why you're here since none of your Pokemon are dead, then fighting you. That could imply he's mourning over his Raticate, but it's about the only supporting it. And even if he had killed his Raticate, it surely wasn't intentional. In fact, a popular theory I hear is that Blue's Raticate dies because he was on the S.S. Anne, where there's no Pokemon Center nearby or close enough to heal it. (Healing beds excluded because storyline/gameplay segregation.)

And how would Red beating Blue as the Champion be evil in any sort of capacity? Pokemon Champion is a title you own until beaten another trainer beats the Elite Four and yourself, which is fair game. It stands to reason that anyone taking up the challenge would be trying to get to the top and sit in the spotlight, besides which it makes things a bit more fair seeing as it doesn't let that said Champion keep their title unless they fight for it.

If you're thinking malicious motives behind Red dethroning Blue too, that doesn't work well either since Red wasn't even aware Blue had become Champion until Lance told him, which by this point gives him no reason to fight Blue other than that he's the last trainer to fight. Professor Oak rightfully scolds Blue since while he did become Champion, the reason why it was short-lived was because Blue saw Pokemon as tools of sort to achieve higher status and didn't believe in them much while it's implied Red views them as partners and that they all share the victory. So while it seems harsh of Oak to do that, he was really just telling Blue to wake up/snap out of it.

All in all, Blue may have had a bad time out of it from Oak on his short-lived Champion title but the way his attitude was, he had it coming. While Raticate may have died it could've very well been an accident and only found out about half an hour after the fight, since he doesn't react immediately about it.

 

[Pookie]

You're not technically evil in red and blue and I mean I see some points but I mean c'mon. I don't see how you're evil in this game, it's a harmless game in my opinion. But like I said, I see some points that you're making here.

 

[Pandaxclone2]

Bumping this because a new Game Theory video was put out which talks about the Raticate theory and offers new information in regards to it.

 

[Zukrad]

Bumping this because a new Game Theory video was put out which talks about the Raticate theory and offers new information in regards to it.

Even tho I find using non-canon info (pretty much using the anime as reference) completely wrong, by just the fact that Raticate is 16 and Rattata was 15 destroys this "theory" completely

 

[Pandaxclone2]

Even tho I find using non-canon info (pretty much using the anime as reference) completely wrong, by just the fact that Raticate is 16 and Rattata was 15 destroys this "theory" completely

They may use anime as a point but the fact is there's two different game reasons why the Raticate is 16. The first being that you can catch a Raticate at that level in Pokemon Yellow, and the other being that because of Team Rocket shenanigans the Ratatta evolved early in the wild. The latter makes sense as it's the reason why that whole Red Gyarados fiasco happened 3 years later.