RED ASH (MegaMan Legends Successor!)

[shanic132]

Alright now i don't know if there's already a thread about this but better be safe than sorry right?

Now During Anime Expo 2015 (which i attended) keiji inafune announced a new project called RED ASH. of course it sparked not only me as a legends fan, but it made alot of people happy. the sad thing is that the timing of the kickstarter was terrible, which i can somewhat agree. this is the MegaMan Legends game that people want and it's barely being Funded, if you're a Legends fan or even just a MegaMan fan in general then you can fund this project and show capcom that we want a MegaMan Legends 3.

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/mightyno9/red-ash-the-indelible-legend

Even the smallest amount of funds can help out the project, remember, Legends Never Die! Show your love and support. Thank you.

Got anything you'd like to say, go ahead and let me know what you think! ^^

 

[18]

First Mighty No. 9 and now this. I get that he was Megaman's pa, but if he's going to make two spiritual successors and Kickstart them both, I really think he's just milking his connection to Mega Man. Beck and Call are completely poor man's versions of Rock and Roll (see, they both have fit-together names as well. How similar is he trying to make them? ) Tyger is just a younger Mega Man's uncle (Digg, I believe he was called), and Gofer is a less-cute version of Data. It's annoying how parallel they are to MML characters; I guess he expects MML fans would buy the same game with dumbed-down renamed characters.
I dislike the unoriginality in this whole guacamole. Just because he created Mega Man doesn't mean he should never again have to come up with new ideas.

Rant End.

 

[Sephiran]

First Mighty No. 9 and now this. I get that he was Megaman's pa, but if he's going to make two spiritual successors and Kickstart them both, I really think he's just milking his connection to Mega Man. Beck and Call are completely poor man's versions of Rock and Roll (see, they both have fit-together names as well. How similar is he trying to make them? ) Tyger is just a younger Mega Man's uncle (Digg, I believe he was called), and Gofer is a less-cute version of Data. It's annoying how parallel they are to MML characters; I guess he expects MML fans would buy the same game with dumbed-down renamed characters.
I dislike the unoriginality in this whole guacamole. Just because he created Mega Man doesn't mean he should never again have to come up with new ideas.

Well! That's about my thoughts on this topic. But I guess I'm gonna go on my rant as well, because I'm pretty angry about it too!

Frankly I don't really trust Inafune. Everything about MN9 from the Kickstarter to the PR to the game design itself was handled so incompetently that you'd think the man is an amateur, and all he's really doing is (falsely!*) claiming to be Megaman's daddy so he can milk the Megaman fans who were forsaken by Capcom. Granted, at this point, I'm not too sure how many legitimate Megaman fans are left after it's just becoming clearer and clearer that Inafune isn't even close to what people thought he was. The fact that he's trying to collect money for Red Ash now - in the last days of the Shenmue kickstarter - suggests to me that he's just trying one last cash grab before people realize MN9 was a farce and he's not worth funding anymore.

I'm gonna go with Kamiya on this one, because the man hasn't ever actually said anything wrong. He said ages ago that Inafune's just a businessman and nobody really listened, and just recently called MN9 an insult to Megaman fans' old home.

Yes I'm mad, Inafune's done nothing but spit in the face of people who used to be his fans.

*That honor goes to Akira Kitamura who directed the first two. Inafune is and always was just an ascended artist.

 

[Artisan]

Well to be honest I think this is to keep the Mega Man fanbase up. The most recent Mega Man thing Capcom did I believe was the Collection of games for him and nothing original. This may not have happened if Capcom was actually making more Legends games that didn't fail or more modern Wii U Mega Man games perhaps (even retro style like they did with the Wiiware titles). And maybe after this they'll go to every other Mega Man series perhaps until there is more new Mega Man and I can compare this to Earthbound in a way as there's a lot of following and a game that has yet to reach the Americas and I saw a Kickstarter guide and collection of EB fanmade stuff on there but yeah I think in a way this is just people wanting money and their working for it the best way they know how.

 

[shanic132]

whereas i can agree that Inafune is milking the series, but you have to give it to him that he's doing what ever it takes to make the fanbase happy. i remember there was a video of him at SGC where a fan asked him if he would make a Mighty Legends. Of course inafune said that he would love to but would the fans back it? and the whole panel went wild. i believe he's only doing this to keep the megaman franchise alive in a way, i mean he still wants to do MML3. You can't really can't blame him for doing what the fans want. As for mighty no 9 people had way to much expectations for that game. you think 4 million dollars is enough to make a game? not even close. I believe he tires his best for the fans and for all gamers a like.

 

[Sephiran]

you think 4 million dollars is enough to make a game? not even close.

Yeah I do. That's an outrageous claim. Even hobbyists working for literally $0 (the original La-Mulana team, Pixel, even that guy who made Megaman Unlimited) have made better works. Inafune has openly squandered a massive amount of money due to a "tight budget" and continues to beg for more. He's openly exploiting a fanbase for a dead franchise. I wouldn't mind if he was clearly delivering quality content like IGA seems to be doing with his Castlevania-like project.

There's a team of Japanese amateurs working on a fanmade MML3 in (I think) Unity. They're sure not playing with four million or even one million.

 

[shanic132]

Yeah I do. That's an outrageous claim. Even hobbyists working for literally $0 (the original La-Mulana team, Pixel, even that guy who made Megaman Unlimited) have made better works. Inafune has openly squandered a massive amount of money due to a "tight budget" and continues to beg for more. He's openly exploiting a fanbase for a dead franchise. I wouldn't mind if he was clearly delivering quality content like IGA seems to be doing with his Castlevania-like project.

There's a team of Japanese amateurs working on a fanmade MML3 in (I think) Unity. They're sure not playing with four million or even one million.

Yeah there is a group of Amateurs who are making a Fan MML3 on Unity, but it's not getting any console releases and even if they use any money of any sort, capcom has the right to sue them for copyright (i'm no good at laws so i can be wrong about that.) and remember inafune is making MegaMan like games to make the fan base happy. For Mighty no. 9 inafune went all out by importing the game into many consoles, which it cost about 5-10million just make a wii game. Now he might've did better on the game if he just stuck with 2 consoles (Playstation and Xbox) but he did it anyways because he wants MegaMan to stay alive, and i think that's more important.

 

[Sephiran]

Yeah there is a group of Amateurs who are making a Fan MML3 on Unity, but it's not getting any console releases and even if they use any money of any sort, capcom has the right to sue them for copyright (i'm no good at laws so i can be wrong about that.)

If Capcom cared, they would cease and desist it. Since they let the MMxSF game and Megaman Unlimited go through, I'm pretty sure they don't really care as long as it's not for profit.
Amount of consoles the game is pushed on is ultimately meaningless.

and remember inafune is making MegaMan like games to make the fan base happy.

No, he knows Megaman is a franchise whose fanbase is starving for a new game and would pay any amount of money to see it. He doesn't actually care about the fanbase itself. If he did, the forum wouldn't have torn itself apart when the community manager who knew nothing of Megaman in the first place proved to be both incompetent and outright malicious, and he wouldn't have let legitimate fans be run off for expressing opinions about something they invested in.

The future of Megaman is in the hands of its fans, not an artist claiming to be the father. Megaman Unlimited (though I personally didn't care for it) is a five-year product of one guy's outstanding love for the series. MMxSF was a fangame that Capcom bought out and used as an anniversary game. PureSabe's Rockman 4 Minus Infinity is a work of pure genius. I trust these guys more than a businessman.

But this thread is about Red Ash, isn't it? So I'll just put in my bottom line: I don't trust Inafune and I don't trust Comcept, so if/when it fails I'll have my smug satisfaction and if the game ends up actually being good I can be pleasantly surprised.

 

[shanic132]

you're right this is about RED ASH, i apologize. it's just that i look up to him and i LOVE the MegaMan series with all my heart (as you can probably tell). i didn't mean to start a rant, i was just trying to get the word out there to help promote the game.

 

[18]

Yeah there is a group of Amateurs who are making a Fan MML3 on Unity, but it's not getting any console releases and even if they use any money of any sort, capcom has the right to sue them for copyright (i'm no good at laws so i can be wrong about that.) and remember inafune is making MegaMan like games to make the fan base happy. For Mighty no. 9 inafune went all out by importing the game into many consoles, which it cost about 5-10million just make a wii game. Now he might've did better on the game if he just stuck with 2 consoles (Playstation and Xbox) but he did it anyways because he wants MegaMan to stay alive, and i think that's more important.

Yes, big companies are always quick with cease-and-desist letters, so it'd be a wonder if they ever finish the game.

I doubt it's to keep the fanbase happy any more than it is to get the fanbase to buy into it and think Red Ash is the new MML. The extreme similarity is annoying to me, and I absolute loved the Mega Man Legends games. No matter how much this looks like just a 'red version' of MML, it isn't Mega Man. If fans have moved on, so should he and come up with new ideas. Mighty No. 9 alone wasn't very irritating and I was optimistic about it when it started out, but it getting coupled with Red Ash on Kickstarter is blatant milking. It's like a tribute band saying they actually are Led Zeppelin. >.> I doubt any fan, no matter how devout, would care too much after more than almost a decade of no real Mega Man game. If a new one came out, they'd play it, but I doubt anyone would sob if it didn't.

you're right this is about RED ASH, i apologize. it's just that i look up to him and i LOVE the MegaMan series with all my heart (as you can probably tell). i didn't mean to start a rant, i was just trying to get the word out there to help promote the game.

No need for apologies :> You didn't do any wrong. The rant isn't directed at you or anything. /o/

 

[Sephiran]

you're right this is about RED ASH, i apologize. it's just that i look up to him and i LOVE the MegaMan series with all my heart (as you can probably tell). i didn't mean to start a rant, i was just trying to get the word out there to help promote the game.

Oh no, I get it. It's cool. I'm passionate about the series as well - otherwise I wouldn't argue so vehemently about it -but just have different thoughts on it. My concern is just milking and horrendous mismanagement.

Kamiya still seems to think that Capcom might do something with MML in the future, but I doubt it. If the people see fit to give Inafune the money to try it, then by all means. It looks like, though, that this Kickstarter isn't progressing nearly as fast as MN9's did.

 

[dwikrid]

I'm a Megaman fan, but looking at MN9 and now Red Ash being treated as Kickstarter again, I said no. Inti Creates made Gunvolt, which you could say a Megaman Zero and ZX spiritual successor, but they rose the stake on a newer level, with fresh gameplay and stuff. Without Kickstarter. MN9 is just resembling the vanilla Megaman, and Red Ash, Megaman Legends.

That's why Kamiya tweeted like that.

 

[dilawer]

Screw Keiji Inafune and Screw Mega Man. All I want is Mighty no.9 but he keeps coming up with new sh*t that nobody cares about instead of focusing on the Mighty no.9 game and universe.

 

[dwikrid]

Screw Keiji Inafune and Screw Mega Man. All I want is Mighty no.9 but he keeps coming up with new sh*t that nobody cares about instead of focusing on the Mighty no.9 game and universe.

And Mighty no 9 ended (as being showed in E3) being bland, in graphic terms. Phew.