Counter that threat!!

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This Lapras is walled by... Lapras...
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Lapras @ Assault Vest
Ability: Water Absorb
EVs: 60 HP / 252 Def / 196 SpA
Quiet Nature
- Freeze-Dry
- Hydro Pump
- Ice Shard
- Sheer Cold / Thunderbolt/ T-bolt (not even considered)​

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Venusaur-Mega, @Venusaurite
Chlorophyll, Bold Nature
IVs: 31/0/31/31/31/31
EVs: 252/0/252/0/4/0
Synthesis / Leech Seed
Giga Drain / Sludge Bomb
 
  • #382
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Venusaur-Mega, @Venusaurite
Chlorophyll, Bold Nature
IVs: 31/0/31/31/31/31
EVs: 252/0/252/0/4/0
Synthesis / Leech Seed
Giga Drain / Sludge Bomb
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Metagross @ Assault Vest
Ability: Clear Body
EVs: 252 HP / 160 Atk / 96 SpD
Adamant Nature
- Pursuit
- Meteor Mash
- Bullet Punch
- Zen Headbutt​
 
  • #383
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Arcanine @ Life Orb
Ability: Flash Fire
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Flare Blitz
- Extreme Speed
- Wild Charge
- Close Combat​
 
  • #384
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Arcanine @ Life Orb
Ability: Flash Fire
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Flare Blitz
- Extreme Speed
- Wild Charge
- Close Combat​
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Quagsire @ Leftovers
Ability: Unaware
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD
Relaxed Nature
- Scald
- Recover
- Earthquake
- Toxic​
 
  • #385
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Quagsire @ Leftovers
Ability: Unaware
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD
Relaxed Nature
- Scald
- Recover
- Earthquake
- Toxic​

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Latios @ Life Orb
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 4 Def / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Draco Meteor
- Psyshock
- Recover
- Defog
 
  • #386
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Latios @ Life Orb
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 4 Def / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Draco Meteor
- Psyshock
- Recover
- Defog

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Altaria @ Altarianite
Ability: Cloud Nine
EVs: 252 HP / 100 Def / 156 SpD
Bold Nature
- Roost
- Hyper Voice
- Heal Bell
- Flamethrower​
 
  • #387
This went quiet for a while:
Lucario @ assault vest
Modest
Inner focus
252 spa / 252 spe / 4 spd
Aura sphere
Flash cannon
Dragon pulse
Psychic

Flash cannon 2HKOs altaria while flamethrower has a small chance at 2HKO, but lucario is faster, so it doesn't matter.
 
  • #388
This went quiet for a while:
Lucario @ assault vest
Modest
Inner focus
252 spa / 252 spe / 4 spd
Aura sphere
Flash cannon
Dragon pulse
Psychic

Flash cannon 2HKOs altaria while flamethrower has a small chance at 2HKO, but lucario is faster, so it doesn't matter.
That still doesn't qualify as a counter though, it's a check.

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Chansey @ Eviolite
Ability: Natural Cure
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Def / 252 SpD
Bold Nature
- Toxic
- Soft-Boiled
- Seismic Toss
- Heal Bell

252+ SpA Choice Specs Lucario Aura Sphere vs. 4 HP / 252 SpD Eviolite Chansey: 204-240 (31.7 - 37.3%) -- 84.8% chance to 3HKO

Walls Lucario even with Specs

 
  • #389
That thing walls almost anything that uses special attacks:
Gengar @ focus sash
Timid
Levitate/cursed body. depends on which gen it's in
252 spa / 252 spe /4 spd
Nasty plot
Shadow ball
Sludge bomb
Focus blast

Really hard to wall effectively when the target is immune to your moves that do damage.
 
  • #390
That thing walls almost anything that uses special attacks:
Gengar @ focus sash
Timid
Levitate/cursed body. depends on which gen it's in
252 spa / 252 spe /4 spd
Nasty plot
Shadow ball
Sludge bomb
Focus blast

Really hard to wall effectively when the target is immune to your moves that do damage.

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Pyukumuku @ Leftovers
Ability: Unaware
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpD
Calm Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Venom Drench
- Toxic
- Soak
- Recover

^^^I want this banned^^^​
 
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  • #391
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Pyukumuku @ Leftovers
Ability: Unaware
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpD
Calm Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Venom Drench
- Toxic
- Soak
- Recover

^^^I want this banned^^^​
Glad I'm not the only one that uses that pic
 
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  • #392
I'm surprised they gave it so much bulk. Makes its normal ability kind of useless:
Raichu-a @ aloraichium z
Timid
Surge surfer
252 spa / 252 spe / 4 spd
Thunderbolt
Psychic
Nasty plot
Thunder wave

After nasty plot, thunderbolt can OHKO, or whatever the z move is will OHKO.
 
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  • #393
I'm surprised they gave it so much bulk. Makes its normal ability kind of useless:
Raichu-a @ aloraichium z
Timid
Surge surfer
252 spa / 252 spe / 4 spd
Thunderbolt
Psychic
Nasty plot
Thunder wave

After nasty plot, thunderbolt can OHKO, or whatever the z move is will OHKO.
You're underestimating this thing.

Pyukumuku @ Leftovers
Ability: Innards Out
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpD
Calm Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Pain Split
- Taunt
- Toxic
- Recover

So if you don't know how this ability works, it's a really OP version of Aftermath, that's much more like Destiny Bond. It's an odd and efficient counter to a lot of different glass cannons, because when you kill it, you're probably going with it. For our purposes though, it probably shouldn't be counted, but this mon is as broken as Zygarde.
I say again, I want this banned.

And, @N, it's so very appropriate.​
 
  • #394
You're underestimating this thing.

Pyukumuku @ Leftovers
Ability: Innards Out
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpD
Calm Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Pain Split
- Taunt
- Toxic
- Recover

So if you don't know how this ability works, it's a really OP version of Aftermath, that's much more like Destiny Bond. It's an odd and efficient counter to a lot of different glass cannons, because when you kill it, you're probably going with it. For our purposes though, it probably shouldn't be counted, but this mon is as broken as Zygarde.
I say again, I want this banned.

And, @N, it's so very appropriate.​
The thing is, that it has little HP, so any Pokémon over its base Hp can hit it without fear.

Also, another thing is that has low HP, but high defenses, meaning that it will be 2HKOed by a lot of moves, so is not that hard to play around this thing, by chiping it away, or setting up using a mon with high HP and reliable recovery, like Zard X or Altaria

And this thing is not even near the power level of freacking Zygarde-C, Zygarde-C was way too easy to set up, and had more bulk than Chansey, with a Ground STAB move that hits flying Pokémon. Zygarde-C is one of the most broken Pokémon we ever had in OU (imo, right behind Mence and Gengar)

Pyukumuku is just a nice (and really really passive) support mon that punishes you by OHKOing it. Is easier to play around it than you think it is. And it will get worse after the potential Baton Pass ban (a mandatory move that every Pykumuku should be using, if not, you are wasting one of the coolest pivots in the game) and the ban of Memento, after the Z-Memento glitch (imo, Pyukumuku best set)

Also, Pykumuku can't counter Raichu, since Raichu clicks Tbolt twice (or Tbolt + Surfing Z whatever) and kills it, taking very little from Pykumuku's ability

252 SpA Raichu-Alola Thunderbolt vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Pyukumuku: 144-170 (45.8 - 54.1%) -- 50.8% chance to 2HKO

Remember that Pykumuku's ability only does damage depending of the amount of HP that Pykumuku has left


This would be a great counter to Raichu imo
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Marowak-Alola @ Thick Club
Ability: Lightning Rod
EVs: 248 HP / 16 Atk / 244 SpD
Adamant Nature
- Shadow Bone
- Will-O-Wisp
- Fire Punch
- Stealth Rock

Marowak Alola is surprisingly good... like really good

I checks and counters most of the meta, including mons like Koko, Pheromosa, Kartana, Magearna, Celesteela, Raichu, Scizor, Ferrothorn, Ninetales, etc.

It can switch into any of Raichu's moves, take another one and OHKO with Shadow Bone
 
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  • #395
Garchomp @ Rocky Helmet
Ability: Rough Skin
EVs: 200 HP / 140 Atk / 72 Def / 96 SpD
Impish Nature
- Stealth Rock
- Dragon Tail
- Stone Edge
- Earthquake

Doesn't do too well against this, needing a 3HKO while pretty much getting OHKOd by earthquake and rough skin/rockey helmet damage.
 
  • #396
Ninetales-Alola @ Icicle Plate
Ability: Snow Warning
EVs: 4 Def / 252 Sp Atk / 252 Spd
Modest Nature
- Ice Beam
- Moonblast
- Extrasensory
- Freeze Dry

Out speeds and OHKOs. This thing is Garchomp's nightmare.

252+ SpA Icicle Plate Ninetales-Alola Ice Beam vs. 200 HP / 96 SpD Garchomp: 580-688 (142.5 - 169%) -- guaranteed OHKO
 
  • #397
Ninetales-Alola @ Icicle Plate
Ability: Snow Warning
EVs: 4 Def / 252 Sp Atk / 252 Spd
Modest Nature
- Ice Beam
- Moonblast
- Extrasensory
- Freeze Dry

Out speeds and OHKOs. This thing is Garchomp's nightmare.

252+ SpA Icicle Plate Ninetales-Alola Ice Beam vs. 200 HP / 96 SpD Garchomp: 580-688 (142.5 - 169%) -- guaranteed OHKO
It dies to Stone Edge in the switching, not a counter (pls read the OP)

Actual counter to that Chomp set

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Celesteela @ Leftovers
Ability: Beast Boost
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpD
Sassy Nature
- Leech Seed
- Flamethrower / Earthquake
- Protect
- Heavy Slam
 
  • #398
It dies to Stone Edge in the switching, not a counter (pls read the OP)

Actual counter to that Chomp set

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Celesteela @ Leftovers
Ability: Beast Boost
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpD
Sassy Nature
- Leech Seed
- Flamethrower / Earthquake
- Protect
- Heavy Slam

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Eelektross @Assault Vest
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 252 HP, 4 Atk, 252 Sp. Atk
Quiet Nature
-Thunderbolt
-Flamethrower
-Giga Drain
-Knock Off

Eelektross is godly immune to Earthquake, Flamethrower and Heavy Slam are not gonna hurt it much, and the seed/protect strat is not gonna last longer than Eelektross will. Knock Off takes off the pesky Leftovers, and Thunderbolt can 2HKO it afterwards
 
  • #399
Excadrill @ choice scarf
Jolly
Mold breaker
252 atk / 252 spe / 4spd
Earthquake
Iron head
Rock slide
X scisor

Mold breaker takes that immunity away.
 
  • #400
Excadrill @ choice scarf
Jolly
Mold breaker
252 atk / 252 spe / 4spd
Earthquake
Iron head
Rock slide
X scisor

Mold breaker takes that immunity away.
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Buzzwole @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Beast Boost
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Fell Stinger
- Superpower
- Ice Punch/Thunder Punch
- Poison Jab/Earthquake

Those muscles aren't just for show, you know?
 
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