Counter that threat!!
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dilawer
The Villain in Green
Towns Folk
How does this actually counter the Charizard? What if he doesn't Mega-Evo and you transform into a regular Charizard. You're pretty screwed in that scenario.
Ditto @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Impostor
EVs: 252 HP/ 51 Atk/52 Def/51 Sp. Atk/52 Sp. Def/52 Spe (because Wynaut lol)
Sassy Nature (again, Wynaut lol)
- Transform
Mr. Kream
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I leave Los Angeles and sto[p getting notifications... Tis this nonsense?!?!?!?
Ditto is actually a very appropriate check to a lot of Pokemon because they aren't typically able to handle themselves, but it should be noted that this Ditto is only an appropriate check to this Charizard and not a counter, as Ditto, too, doesn't like that crit EQ.
Here's the best possible Ditto counter and a personal favorite...
Zoroark @ Choice Specs
Ability: Illusion
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Dark Pulse
- Focus Blast
- Trick
- Sludge Bomb
Ditto is actually a very appropriate check to a lot of Pokemon because they aren't typically able to handle themselves, but it should be noted that this Ditto is only an appropriate check to this Charizard and not a counter, as Ditto, too, doesn't like that crit EQ.
Here's the best possible Ditto counter and a personal favorite...
Zoroark @ Choice Specs
Ability: Illusion
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Dark Pulse
- Focus Blast
- Trick
- Sludge Bomb
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Ahmad faad
New Kid on the Block
Towns Folk
landorus - therian@ leftoversLets play a game!!
How to play:
I will post a Pokémon set, and the next person will post a Pokémon that can counter that set 100% of the time, and next post will counter that Pokémon
Example:
Talonflame @ Sharp Beak
Ability: Gale Wings
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Brave Bird
- Will-O-Wisp
- Swords Dance
- Roost
Gets countered by
Heatran @ Power Herb
Ability: Flash Fire
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Lava Plume
- Earth Power
- Stone Edge
- Solar Beam
Gets countered by
Landorus-Therian @ Leftovers
Ability: Intimidate
EVs: 56 HP / 220 Atk / 232 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Earthquake
- Stone Edge
- Rock Polish
- Swords Dance
And so on
(Yes I know that this could be in "Fun & Games", but IMO this fits better in Competitive Pokémon play)
Also to make the thread look prettier, use these
http://www.pokestadium.com/tools/sprites
http://play.pokemonshowdown.com/teambuilder
And this app helps you find counters to certain Pokemon easily
Anyways lets do this, I will start
Cloyster @ Focus Sash
Ability: Skill Link
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpA / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Shell Smash
- Icicle Spear
- Rock Blast
- Ice Shard
ability:intimidate
EVs:56 HP/220 ATK/SPE 232
Adamant nature
-earth quake
-stone edge
-rock polish
-swords dance
MysticSniper
Spirit of a Dragon
Towns Folk
First off, you loss every time. A lot of your evs are wasted, the scarf doesn't allow you to outspeed any charizard form, and, as @dilawer poited out, there's no assuring you get mega x. If you swap into it with ditto before it mega evolves, you will get basic charizard instead of mega. And even if you do swap in after the mega evolve, you still run the risk of taking a dragon claw to the face, which will cause a ko.
Ditto @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Impostor
EVs: 252 HP/ 51 Atk/52 Def/51 Sp. Atk/52 Sp. Def/52 Spe (because Wynaut lol)
Sassy Nature (again, Wynaut lol)
- Transform
Zukrad
Just spam F-Air in the neutral and hope it works.
Towns Folk
You don't really know how transform works... right?
A Choice Scarf Ditto will outspeed any Charizard form, Transform copies all the stats except for HP
Also, if Ditto switchs in and transforms into normal Charizard, is easier for him to beat Charizard X, since is not weak to Dragon nor Ground, while X is weak to these two types
Is still not a real counter, but rather an SSI Check
and for @Samuel_1802 , the best EVs Spread for Ditto is 248HP/252Def/ 8 everywhere else and a Relaxed Nature and 0IVs on speed, this allows you to get minimun damage for Spikes and Stealth Rocks, while gives you the chance to beat 1v1 other Dittos with struggle
Tho
An old-school gamer & anime freak!
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Jolteon @Rocky Helmet
Skarmory @ Rocky Helmet
Ability: Sturdy
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD
Impish Nature
- Roost
- Defog
- Brave Bird
- Taunt
A slow kill's the best kill.
Ability: Volt Absorb
4 Def / 252 Sp. Atk / 252 Speed
Timid Nature
-Thunderbolt
-Shadow Ball
-Hidden Power Ice
-Signal Beam
EDIT:
Hadn't seen yours @MysticSniper. Anyway, here goes:
Ludicolo @Salac Berry
Ability: Own Tempo (just to make you waste a turn trying to confuse it
)Modest
-Fake Out
-Surf
-Giga Drain
-Synthesis
As for EV spread, I'll choose a 4 Hp/ 252 Sp. Atk / 64 Sp. Def / 188 Speed!
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Tho
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Mr. Kream
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Jolteon @Rocky Helmet
Ability: Volt Absorb
4 Def / 252 Sp. Atk / 252 Speed
Timid Nature
-Thunderbolt
-Shadow Ball
-Hidden Power Ice
-Signal Beam
EDIT:
Hadn't seen yours @MysticSniper. Anyway, here goes:
Ludicolo @Salac Berry
Ability: Own Tempo (just to make you waste a turn trying to confuse it
Modest
-Fake Out
-Surf
-Giga Drain
-Synthesis
As for EV spread, I'll choose a 4 Hp/ 252 Sp. Atk / 64 Sp. Def / 188 Speed!
Those are super specific and situational counters, and that Own Tempo one is rather funny tbh, but they work, I like it.... Here's how I answer your Luda:
Togekiss @ Leftovers
Ability: Serene Grace
EVs: 252 HP / 240 SpD / 16 Spe
Calm Nature
- Fire Blast / (Baton Pass)
- Nasty Plot
- Roost
- Air Slash
Welcome back, Tho.
Togekiss @ Leftovers
Ability: Serene Grace
EVs: 252 HP / 240 SpD / 16 Spe
Calm Nature
- Fire Blast / (Baton Pass)
- Nasty Plot
- Roost
- Air Slash
Welcome back, Tho.
Tho
An old-school gamer & anime freak!
Banned User
Jirachi @Choice ScarfThose are super specific and situational counters, and that Own Tempo one is rather funny tbh, but they work, I like it.... Here's how I answer your Luda:
Togekiss @ Leftovers
Ability: Serene Grace
EVs: 252 HP / 240 SpD / 16 Spe
Calm Nature
- Fire Blast / (Baton Pass)
- Nasty Plot
- Roost
- Air Slash
Welcome back, Tho.
Ability: Serene Grace
4 Hp/ 252 Atk / 252 Speed
Jolly Nature
-Iron Head
-Fire Punch
-Ice Punch
-Zen Headbutt
PS: Thanks!
MysticSniper
Spirit of a Dragon
Towns Folk
Oh, forgot about the healing. Still feels like a coin toss, though. Even though you with have a head start with fake out, your outsped untill salac kicks in, which shouldn't happen because heat wave is 55-67% in one hit. Surf is only 43-52%, so it only 2HKOs about 1/8 of the time. You'd have to use synthisis on every turn, and I think heat wave has more pp than it, so it's a loseing battle.
That took too long to explain.
That took too long to explain.
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